DIV 203Lesson 8 of 9
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  1. 1REITs: Owning Real Estate for the Rent
  2. 2The Different Kinds of REITs
  3. 3How to Analyze a REIT: FFO, AFFO and More
  4. 4Mortgage REITs
  5. 5REIT ETFs
  6. 6BDCs: Lending to Small Businesses for Income
  7. 7How to Analyze a BDC
  8. 8Internally vs Externally Managed BDCs
  9. 9BDC ETFs and Funds
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DIV 203 · Lesson 8 of 9

Internally vs Externally Managed BDCs

Who runs the lender, what they're paid, and why it shows up in your return.

What you’ll learn

  • The difference between an internally and an externally managed BDC
  • How base and incentive fees work, and what they cost you
  • Why fee structures can push managers towards growth and leverage
  • Why some BDCs trade well above their NAV

Two BDCs can make similar loans to similar companies and still deliver very different results to their shareholders. One of the biggest reasons is a detail most investors never look at: who runs the BDC, and how they’re paid.

Two models

Internally managedExternally managed
Who makes decisionsThe BDC's own employeesAn outside asset manager under contract
How managers are paidSalaries and bonuses, like any companyBase fee plus incentive fee
Typical cost to shareholdersLowerHigher
ExamplesMain Street, Capital Southwest, HerculesAres Capital, Blackstone Secured Lending, Blue Owl Capital

Most BDCs are externally managed, often by big private credit firms. That gives them access to large deal teams and lots of loan opportunities. The cost is the fees.

How external fees work

  • Base management fee: often about 1% to 1.5% a year of gross assets, which includes assets bought with borrowed money.
  • Income incentive fee: commonly 17.5% to 20% of net investment income above a hurdle, typically around 7% a year on NAV.
  • Capital gains incentive fee: a share of realized gains, net of losses.
Fees on a $1 billion NAV BDC with 1× leverage
Gross assets ($1bn equity + $1bn debt)$2.0 billion
Base fee at 1.25% of gross assets$25 million
As a share of shareholders' equity2.5% a year
Plus incentive fee on income above the hurdleoften another 1% to 2% of equity
Together, fees can take three to four percentage points a year from shareholders. An internally managed BDC might spend 1.5% to 2% of equity running itself.

Where the incentives can bend

Because the base fee is charged on gross assets, an external manager earns more simply by making the portfolio bigger, including by borrowing more or issuing new shares. If new shares are sold below NAV, existing shareholders are diluted, but the manager’s fee still grows. Incentive fees can also reward taking more risk to clear the hurdle. Many BDCs have adopted shareholder friendly terms to address this, such as fee cuts, a total return “lookback” that reduces incentive fees after losses, or managers buying shares themselves. Read the fee section of the annual report.

Why the market pays up for some BDCs

Main Street Capital is the best known internally managed BDC. Its low costs, a long record of growing NAV per share, monthly dividends that have never been cut and a habit of paying extra supplemental dividends have earned it a share price well above its NAV for most of its history. That premium lets it issue new shares above NAV, which adds to NAV for existing shareholders, a virtuous circle.

That doesn’t make external BDCs bad. Ares Capital, the largest BDC, is externally managed and has a long record of steady results thanks to its scale and underwriting. Structure tilts the odds; execution decides the outcome.

Live comparison

Internally managed (first three) and externally managed BDCs Live data
Yield is the forward (indicated) yield, or trailing twelve months when no forward figure exists. Total return assumes dividends are reinvested. Updated after each trading day; past returns don't predict future ones.
TickerNameYieldPays1Y total return5Y total return
MAINMain Street Capital Corporation6.55%Monthly-5.7%+95.7%
CSWCCapital Southwest Corporation12.88%Monthly+20.6%+59.5%
HTGCHercules Capital, Inc.11.26%Quarterly+1.7%+74.7%
ARCCAres Capital Corporation10.20%Quarterly+3.2%+46.2%
BXSLBlackstone Secured Lending Fund13.10%Quarterly+0.9%n/a
OBDCBlue Owl Capital Corporation12.19%Quarterly-9.3%+25.3%
FSKFS KKR Capital Corp.16.01%Quarterly-13.1%+2.3%
PSECProspect Capital Corporation21.76%Monthly-15.6%-52.1%

Check your understanding

4 questions
  1. In an externally managed BDC, who runs the portfolio?

  2. Why can a base fee charged on gross assets create a conflict of interest?

  3. Why does Main Street Capital often trade well above its net asset value?

  4. Is every externally managed BDC a bad investment?

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